LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Re: The referral system
Yeah well SA will pump Victoria in a few days time and all will be well.
Yeah well SA will pump Victoria in a few days time and all will be well.
Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
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eddiesmith
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Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
No point really, they just took it easy and made sure they got the win, a win in 10 overs or 19.5 overs makes no difference in a final
No point really, they just took it easy and made sure they got the win, a win in 10 overs or 19.5 overs makes no difference in a final
eddiesmith
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Who cares if they do? The Champions League is all that matters and yet again, QLD choked at the final hurdle
Who cares if they do? The Champions League is all that matters and yet again, QLD choked at the final hurdle
Sober Symonds
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Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
Precisely. You're just sounding bitter now, Boris.
Your guys have been doing very well, you can't expect Victoria just to push them aside because the score wasn't huge. There's such a thing as pressure, and sometimes smaller scores create more of that. As I said, if all our big guns fire at once, then it will be a sight to behold. But you know only too well that rarely ever happens.
Besides, did you hear the crowd? Neither did I. Surely that counts for something. If a good home-town crowd wills a team to win, what does the opposite do? Hussey's 50 did not even prompt a gentle clapping of hands. What tremendous sportsmanship.
Precisely. You're just sounding bitter now, Boris.
Your guys have been doing very well, you can't expect Victoria just to push them aside because the score wasn't huge. There's such a thing as pressure, and sometimes smaller scores create more of that. As I said, if all our big guns fire at once, then it will be a sight to behold. But you know only too well that rarely ever happens.
Besides, did you hear the crowd? Neither did I. Surely that counts for something. If a good home-town crowd wills a team to win, what does the opposite do? Hussey's 50 did not even prompt a gentle clapping of hands. What tremendous sportsmanship.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Re: The referral system
Choked? It was a hit and giggle.
If you want a case of choking review last years Ford Ranger Cup final.
Victoria is filled with has beens who couldn't handle it in test cricket and has beens who can't handle it in ODI cricket (apart from White).
Queensland had young bucks ready to tear the competition apart in future years.
Choked? It was a hit and giggle.
If you want a case of choking review last years Ford Ranger Cup final.
Victoria is filled with has beens who couldn't handle it in test cricket and has beens who can't handle it in ODI cricket (apart from White).
Queensland had young bucks ready to tear the competition apart in future years.
Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
That's not what I'm getting at. Two wickets, of Hussey especially, and Qld could have won that. The required run rate was just under 10 an over with 5 to go, a wicket then could have send things crumbling down.
For my liking it was too close for a good team. Actually gave you guys a run for your money.
Now prepare for SA to flog you again.
eddiesmith;385016 said:
That's not what I'm getting at. Two wickets, of Hussey especially, and Qld could have won that. The required run rate was just under 10 an over with 5 to go, a wicket then could have send things crumbling down.
For my liking it was too close for a good team. Actually gave you guys a run for your money.
Now prepare for SA to flog you again.
Sober Symonds
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Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
You put up this:
... then after you lose, spit the dummy and say we should have flogged you because you're no good anyway! You should try some of the grapes they're picking in Sunraysia at the moment - they're not so sour.
Of course they could have. Probably should have. No point abusing us for it.
Now we've got some important cricket coming up, the national selectors decide to pick a few of ours! That means SA will have almost a full squad to pick from. Good luck to them. If they win, they will still deserve it.
You put up this:
Boris;384980 said:
... then after you lose, spit the dummy and say we should have flogged you because you're no good anyway! You should try some of the grapes they're picking in Sunraysia at the moment - they're not so sour.
Boris;385022 said:
Of course they could have. Probably should have. No point abusing us for it.
Now we've got some important cricket coming up, the national selectors decide to pick a few of ours! That means SA will have almost a full squad to pick from. Good luck to them. If they win, they will still deserve it.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
Hope Hogde Podge gets a duck in the final, dislike that player immensely.
Hope Hogde Podge gets a duck in the final, dislike that player immensely.
eddiesmith
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Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
Even another 2 wickets and I wouldnt have been too worried, Wade and Hastings can get the job done
Yet 2 years in a row QLD have had a home final, batted first and lost
Boris;385022 said:
Even another 2 wickets and I wouldnt have been too worried, Wade and Hastings can get the job done
Boris;385024 said:Hahahahahaha a Victorian saying that, coming from the biggest chokers in Australian cricket
Yet 2 years in a row QLD have had a home final, batted first and lost
eddiesmith
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Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
The best stat is with SA qualifying for the final, every State other than QLD has made the Big Bash final to play Victoria
The best stat is with SA qualifying for the final, every State other than QLD has made the Big Bash final to play Victoria
Sober Symonds
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Sorry, who do you follow again? Just anti-Vic? No doubt some unresolved issues from earlier years - I hope that chip doesn't weigh you down too severely.
Quite a few of those in the Qld team have been around a fair while and haven't made the next level - are they beyond similar criticism? I don't suppose there's any chance of you recognising that the blokes who "rip the domestic comps apart" as you put it are also former "young bucks" of ours.
Just curious: I was unable to find any in our side who couldn't handle Test cricket. Perhaps you were mistaken?
LIONS then DAYLIGHT;385020 said:
Sorry, who do you follow again? Just anti-Vic? No doubt some unresolved issues from earlier years - I hope that chip doesn't weigh you down too severely.
Quite a few of those in the Qld team have been around a fair while and haven't made the next level - are they beyond similar criticism? I don't suppose there's any chance of you recognising that the blokes who "rip the domestic comps apart" as you put it are also former "young bucks" of ours.
Just curious: I was unable to find any in our side who couldn't handle Test cricket. Perhaps you were mistaken?
Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
I think everyone is reading waay too much into my posts here. Most of it I have said tongue in cheek and certainly haven't been abusing any team.
I'm an Australian and any domestic Australian cricket team is equal to one another. To me the dometic competitions only divide up the players and allows everyone to focus on about 20 players at any on time, giving you a team to follow and allows you to put up better information about certain players then someone, say, following another state.
The only things that bother me from state to state is their ability to allow players to be supplied for the international level.
I couldn't care if Victoria wins anything, everything is just for fun in my mind, gives me something to do. The international team is the one that matters, domestic comps are just there to allow everyone to showclass talent for that higher arena.
Saying that, though, players have to be able to display that talent in a real situation. Therefore states should be doing just as much to win the comps as possible, because in no situation would a player be playing internationally and not aiming to win. Therefore the same rules of selection and playing styles are for me personally applied to both interntational and domestic arenas. I don't just think of it as a hit and giggle competition, any of the three.
I think everyone is reading waay too much into my posts here. Most of it I have said tongue in cheek and certainly haven't been abusing any team.
I'm an Australian and any domestic Australian cricket team is equal to one another. To me the dometic competitions only divide up the players and allows everyone to focus on about 20 players at any on time, giving you a team to follow and allows you to put up better information about certain players then someone, say, following another state.
The only things that bother me from state to state is their ability to allow players to be supplied for the international level.
I couldn't care if Victoria wins anything, everything is just for fun in my mind, gives me something to do. The international team is the one that matters, domestic comps are just there to allow everyone to showclass talent for that higher arena.
Saying that, though, players have to be able to display that talent in a real situation. Therefore states should be doing just as much to win the comps as possible, because in no situation would a player be playing internationally and not aiming to win. Therefore the same rules of selection and playing styles are for me personally applied to both interntational and domestic arenas. I don't just think of it as a hit and giggle competition, any of the three.
Sober Symonds
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Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
Ooohh, very spiteful indeed.
Unarguably a brilliant player and unlucky for a long time. Arguably may not have made the most of his limited chances. Whether or not you might think he's entitled to letting slip a remark about his non-selection, he has conducted himself impeccably on and off the field over a very long period. Not much to hate, but each to his own.
And yet, anyone says a bad word about S.Watson, or raises any doubts re R.Ponting, and you're crying foul that anyone should bear such malice!
LIONS then DAYLIGHT;385031 said:
Ooohh, very spiteful indeed.
Unarguably a brilliant player and unlucky for a long time. Arguably may not have made the most of his limited chances. Whether or not you might think he's entitled to letting slip a remark about his non-selection, he has conducted himself impeccably on and off the field over a very long period. Not much to hate, but each to his own.
And yet, anyone says a bad word about S.Watson, or raises any doubts re R.Ponting, and you're crying foul that anyone should bear such malice!
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
Look I didn't mind Hodge as a player when he was in the test side, but he comments in the media over the years have turned me off him.
Andy Bichel and Michael Bevan were discarded at the end of the 2003/04 season when form didn't warrant it, and they never whinged in the media did they?
Hodge wasn't the first player to be shown the door when stats indicated otherwise, perhaps his off-field behaviour was a reason in the decision.
Only time will tell I guess.
Look I didn't mind Hodge as a player when he was in the test side, but he comments in the media over the years have turned me off him.
Andy Bichel and Michael Bevan were discarded at the end of the 2003/04 season when form didn't warrant it, and they never whinged in the media did they?
Hodge wasn't the first player to be shown the door when stats indicated otherwise, perhaps his off-field behaviour was a reason in the decision.
Only time will tell I guess.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
Exactly, Andy Bichel and Michael Bevan were two players that were treated harshly. Bichel had a magnificent world cup in 2003, taking 16 wickets @ 12 and was out of the team for good 8 months later.
Exactly, Andy Bichel and Michael Bevan were two players that were treated harshly. Bichel had a magnificent world cup in 2003, taking 16 wickets @ 12 and was out of the team for good 8 months later.
Sober Symonds
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Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
I'm not Hodge's minder, and this has been discussed before, but I really don't know if his comments were so bad. I'd love to know what he actually said, because if it was so scathing, I'm sure the words would be on record somewhere.
If it was just a little bit of grumbling, (I get the feeling he's not the brightest conversationalist of all time, by the way), then he could hardly be blamed. His selection has been argued at length by others for a long time - of course there's going to be a moment or two where he has given in to reporters urging for a comment. I'd even suggest Bevan made his feelings known once or twice. Let's not forget, Andrew Symonds once called the selectors fools/idiots or whatever at one stage - and he had plenty of chances.
I don't know the bloke any more than you, but despite the ups & downs in his career for more than 15 years he has never come close to having been thrown out of a casino, belted a taxi driver or given his missus a back-hander.
Nor has he carried on like a pork chop on the cricket arena, blaming "raw emotion".
You can view his manner as sour, that's up to you. I hardly thought Michael Bevan was a song & dance man, and remarks from his former captain would suggest he wasn't a team favourite either.
I'm not Hodge's minder, and this has been discussed before, but I really don't know if his comments were so bad. I'd love to know what he actually said, because if it was so scathing, I'm sure the words would be on record somewhere.
If it was just a little bit of grumbling, (I get the feeling he's not the brightest conversationalist of all time, by the way), then he could hardly be blamed. His selection has been argued at length by others for a long time - of course there's going to be a moment or two where he has given in to reporters urging for a comment. I'd even suggest Bevan made his feelings known once or twice. Let's not forget, Andrew Symonds once called the selectors fools/idiots or whatever at one stage - and he had plenty of chances.
Ljp86;385056 said:
I don't know the bloke any more than you, but despite the ups & downs in his career for more than 15 years he has never come close to having been thrown out of a casino, belted a taxi driver or given his missus a back-hander.
Nor has he carried on like a pork chop on the cricket arena, blaming "raw emotion".
You can view his manner as sour, that's up to you. I hardly thought Michael Bevan was a song & dance man, and remarks from his former captain would suggest he wasn't a team favourite either.
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Symonds once turned up to a meeting with the then CEO about his behaviour in cowboy boots, an open shirt, carrying a beer and was quite drunk. I don't think he quite had respect for his elders
I say this because I speculate that a player liked by the captain and team are much more likely to stay in a side.
I have heard nothing but good things about Roy in the media when spoke by team mates. On the series to the UAE against Pakistan, Clarke said to a journalist that they went to KFC and bought 20 meals before they finally got a 'Symonds Head Bobble figurine' just so the suspended Symonds could 'be among them'. Then the rest of the comments on the topic all came from other team mates saying how much they loved big old Roy. If any other player was caught doing the stuff he did they would have had only one chance. I can't remember how many times he turned up to games with black eyes and a lightly bandaged right hands, obviously showing what he did the night before at the pub. He was the first guy to group huddles after a wicket, really sparked life in the field and provided endless comedy by providing banter, imitations, stupid actions and the lot to other fielders, even if the other team need 10 off 12 balls and the suspense was high, he was being his usual self and is why Australia performed so well in high pressure situations, they were completely relaxed.
Another much loved guy is Shaun Tait, and is why he has gotten a few little chances here and there, maybe despite form, or having other guys dropped for him despite their form.
This could be the opposite for a guy like Hodge. Maybe he isn't the most liked guy. Maybe he hangs out in the corner of a dressing room and nobody approaches him. When he scored his double century, he got a pat on the back and a 'good onya mate' but nothing else. He was then dropped a couple of games afterwards, never to be selected again.
Some players are more than eagerly put into sides, perhaps without a full reason. Others like Hodge toil away for years but nobody lifts an eyebrow.
For me that has to be the only reason for a lot of selections. If someone can't work with the team, then they shouldn't be part of it. When Hodge injured himself in the changerooms just before a T20 teammates looked relieved, rather than sad for him.
All complete speculation, but it's the one I'm reasons I'm going to continue with. A friend to the team is more likely to stay in the team. And for good reasons too.
Sober Symonds;385121 said:
Symonds once turned up to a meeting with the then CEO about his behaviour in cowboy boots, an open shirt, carrying a beer and was quite drunk. I don't think he quite had respect for his elders
I say this because I speculate that a player liked by the captain and team are much more likely to stay in a side.
I have heard nothing but good things about Roy in the media when spoke by team mates. On the series to the UAE against Pakistan, Clarke said to a journalist that they went to KFC and bought 20 meals before they finally got a 'Symonds Head Bobble figurine' just so the suspended Symonds could 'be among them'. Then the rest of the comments on the topic all came from other team mates saying how much they loved big old Roy. If any other player was caught doing the stuff he did they would have had only one chance. I can't remember how many times he turned up to games with black eyes and a lightly bandaged right hands, obviously showing what he did the night before at the pub. He was the first guy to group huddles after a wicket, really sparked life in the field and provided endless comedy by providing banter, imitations, stupid actions and the lot to other fielders, even if the other team need 10 off 12 balls and the suspense was high, he was being his usual self and is why Australia performed so well in high pressure situations, they were completely relaxed.
Another much loved guy is Shaun Tait, and is why he has gotten a few little chances here and there, maybe despite form, or having other guys dropped for him despite their form.
This could be the opposite for a guy like Hodge. Maybe he isn't the most liked guy. Maybe he hangs out in the corner of a dressing room and nobody approaches him. When he scored his double century, he got a pat on the back and a 'good onya mate' but nothing else. He was then dropped a couple of games afterwards, never to be selected again.
Some players are more than eagerly put into sides, perhaps without a full reason. Others like Hodge toil away for years but nobody lifts an eyebrow.
For me that has to be the only reason for a lot of selections. If someone can't work with the team, then they shouldn't be part of it. When Hodge injured himself in the changerooms just before a T20 teammates looked relieved, rather than sad for him.
All complete speculation, but it's the one I'm reasons I'm going to continue with. A friend to the team is more likely to stay in the team. And for good reasons too.
eddiesmith
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Re: Twenty20 Big Bash - 2009/10
Bracken also abused selectors for not selecting him in the test side and there are others
But Hodgey usually just makes a smart arse remark in an interview, nothing too bad, I did like his comments last year during the T20s after another big score where he basically said he keeps making runs but thats obviously not the selection criteria anymore
He was also able to get the selectors to go around and talk to contracted players about their situation individually, although he did also complain later they never saw him
Bracken also abused selectors for not selecting him in the test side and there are others
But Hodgey usually just makes a smart arse remark in an interview, nothing too bad, I did like his comments last year during the T20s after another big score where he basically said he keeps making runs but thats obviously not the selection criteria anymore
He was also able to get the selectors to go around and talk to contracted players about their situation individually, although he did also complain later they never saw him