Why do England under perform in ODI's?

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Why do England under perform in ODI's?

Despite a brief upturn against the West Indies, normal one day service seems to have been resumed in the current series against Australia. England are currently staring at a 7-0 whitewash and to be honest look completely bereft of ideas.

For me, we lack three key elements:

1. Batsmen who can set the pace of an innings
2. Batsmen who can go on and turn pretty 40/50/60's into 100's
3. A genuine out and out strike bowler

I would also throw in the fact that we seem absolutely confused as to what the power play is there for and tend to use it too late or when fresh batsman are at the crease.

Any one got anything further to add?
 
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England look they couldn't give a flying hoot about one-dayers, despite how many 'the lads are disappointed but...' sound-bites we get from Strauss and Collingwood.

A few Bracken-type bowler who can mix it up and don't leak runs would be a good start, given the current bowling attack ranges from Jimmy 'where is it going to go who knows oh look its gone for four again' Anderson to Ryan 'you may as well play your shot now because you know where i'm going to pitch it' Sidebottom.

As for the batting, it's all about application. If you can get to 30, which every player in the side has shown they can do, then you can get to 100. This is the key difference between the Australian and England batting lineups. When Tim Paine got himself out just after scoring 50 the other day he was visibly furious with himself, whereas when Andrew Strauss gets his token 60 and lobs a ridiculous paddle-sweep straight into the hands of short fine-leg or gets a nick trying to noodle one down to third man, he's most probably thinking 'good start, now someone else can go on with it'.

That brings up another problem, too much nudging and noodling. We know you're not supposed to take any risks in the middle overs, but England consistently fall just short in large run chases by aiming to pass the score on the last ball of the match. This means one bad over instantly puts them on the back foot in a run chase. Michael Bevan always used to bat with the aim of making the score within 48 overs, to accommodate for a bad over or two, and he was one of the best finishers of all-time.

Lastly, jokers like Bopara need to get out of the side and come back when they are ready to bat for the team, rather than for preserving their own spot. A nice 30 off 50 balls might help you keep your place in the team, Ravi, but it does sweet @#$% all for England's chances of posting a decent score.
 
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a for effort;365681 said:
England look they couldn't give a flying hoot about one-dayers, despite how many 'the lads are disappointed but...' sound-bites we get from Strauss and Collingwood.
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Those sound bites really get on my nerves. They churn out the same old lines after game and the general public are just like 'whatever'.

We also have 'tiredness' 'fatigue' etc being murmured by some players, including one who chose to spend time in the IPL and will also be playing in the champions trophy later this year, even though it would be an ideal to rest. Can't really have your cake and expect to eat it.

Moving away from moaning about the players and onto the ECB, I wonder what would have happened had this only been a 3/5 game series and not the 7 matches we currently have.
 
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When is the last time England have actually done anything at all at a major tournament? The last I can think of is the 1992 World Cup when they made the final.
 
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Sounds about right to me, although didn't they make the final of a champions trophy before losing to the West Indies?
 
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Not sure if I buy the talk about not taking ODI cricket seriously. If that is so, then its disrespecting the very loyal English fans that always turn out to watch when the travelling fixture list arrives in their home town.

ODI cricket is now a prominent part of the annual cricketing fixture list, it would seem pretty stupid not to take it seriously.

There is a theory that England are suffering from an "emotional comedown" after the "high" of the ashes. Sure, that can sometimes be a problem, but good teams find a way to overcome that. Australia didnt have an issue post 06/07. If that is a problem, then England only have themselves to blame for their obsession with the Ashes.

I dont think its a big deal, most of these ODI players didnt play the test matchs and would be desperate to perform. Even if it was a problem, it shouldnt be after you lost the first few matchs.

I think rather the main problem is that England just dont have many decent cricket players. Your not going to win to many cricket games with Tim Bresnan as a first change bowler. Total pie thrower.

Conversely, your not going to win many cricket games, test or ODI's, with a batting lineup containing players like Shah, Bopara and Collingwood.

England as a one day side has very little going for it. It is also interesting to not the ODI and Test rankings. Basically, there aren't too many teams that are good at one format and not good at the other.

England being crap at ODI cricket is more then likely going to crossover to their test cricket.

Langer was right, England are great frontrunners, but turn the tables, and they really do go to water.

It will be very interesting to see how they go in South Africa, especially if they lose the toss in the first test and have to bat second after SA have made the running by batting first.

I for one think the 2009 Ashes victory was more arse then class, in time i guess we will see.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT;365800 said:
ODI cricket is now a prominent part of the annual cricketing fixture list, it would seem pretty stupid not to take it seriously.
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For how much longer will it be prominent though? They will soon stop playing 50 over cricket domestically as their board has decided they don't have to play it anymore. ;)
 
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Gentleman, I think the problem has many issues.

Sure I think application is an issue. Reverse sweeps and ensuring that runs are scored at a rate are issues that need addressing.

I might be clutching at straws but England has never shown me that the have adapted to 50 over cricket since the 80s. Think about it how many times have they scored 300 plus? not many times I think.

I think that there are no real specialists with the exception of Dimitri Mascarenhas. I often wonder if Luke Wright would have seen international cricket if he had a different passport. (He played club cricket in Cape Town)

I dont really want to make it too individualistic but ODI are where you need match winners - who comes to mind? KP when he is fit - Also Trott could potentially become a great player if he gets a chance.

I also think that the ECB have not focussed its energy on the shorter formats - the teams almost always look like deer in a cars lights.

I think the other problem could be the central contracts. I can tell you that South African national players play as much first class cricket when available.
 
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I think people are just trying to look to deeply into why England are crap at ODI's.

Lets face it, England on a whole has been an ordinary cricket team for the best part of 20 years, bar the odd moment of glory that is nearly always followed by such inept cricket that the mind boggles at how were ever able of winning a game.

Players like Bopara, Collingwood, Shah, Anderson, Sidebottom, Prior and co are ordinary players that are capable if everything is in their favour, the toss, conditions, luck. But as soon as that turns then they are a very ordinary team. We saw that in the ODI's.

In the test matchs they didnt deserve to win, lets face it.

There are some serious problems in their cricket setup- as evidenced by their influx of foreign trained players.

It is no surprise they are crap at ODI cricket, they have been since 92, that wont change anytime soon. Despite all the tubthumping that came out of England post 2009 Ashes.
 
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Its because no one gives a crap about limited overs cricket outside of the Subcontinent, England are just preparing for the changed cricket world in a couple of years when England and Australia and maybe another country or 2 will be playing tests and the odd limited overs crap whilst India will be leading the T20 world cricket league

Of course within 5 years they will all come crawling back and England and Australia will be so far ahead in test cricket they will cream them for years to come :D
 
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They should persist with Stuart Broad, who while in his early 20s he is still developing and growing into some sort of all-rounder. But what sort?:confused:
Will he be more of a batsman or more of a bowler? That is the question.
He is one player they should try and stick with, rather than chopping him consistently all the time. Same with Adel Rashid, their legspinner.
Look to the future boys.
 
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