The BaggyGreens Thread

baggygreen man

also known as Richie
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Baggers back here on Big Cricket after a long absence. Ok if I create this thread on everything to do with the Australian Test cricket side. Known unofficially as the Baggy Greens.
 
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baggygreen man

also known as Richie
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This pandemic has played havoc with international Test cricket tho England has managed to slip in two three tester series against both the Windies and the Pakis. Both of which were relative easy victories for the Pommies. We Aussies will have to wait until almost Christmas to taste some more Test cricket with India and the Afghans touring and taking on our Baggy Greens on our turf.

Baggers.
 
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baggygreen man

also known as Richie
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Is Cricket Australia risking the absence of two of our best Test bowling attack, Josh Hazlewood amd Pat Cummins for the upcoming Indian Test tour, by allowing them to play in the IPL?

Hazlewood told reporters this week that he is "concerned" that 13 personnel, including two team mates, from his franchise the Chenai Super Kings have contracted Coronavirus and were in isolation. Pat Cummins will turn out for the Kolkata Knight Riders in the IPL which has been transferred to the UAE due to the virus ravaging India. Test batsmen Steve Smith and Dave Warner are also playing in the IPL.

Worst case scenario.. losing all four players would surely hand the four match series to India on a platter.

Baggers
 
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baggygreen man

also known as Richie
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I continue to be dumbfounded how year after year our Test players are handed white ball cricket for preparation of a big Test series. The formats are chalk and cheese. Instead of having the red ball of the Shield to prepare for the Indian tour four of our best, Smith, Cummins, Hazlewood and Warner will be smashing the white ball or being cannon fodder in the UAE. All this may be conjecture as the life disruptive pandemic has put Australian cricket in a tailspin.

Baggers
 

Signman

also known as Mal
I continue to be dumbfounded how year after year our Test players are handed white ball cricket for preparation of a big Test series. The formats are chalk and cheese. Instead of having the red ball of the Shield to prepare for the Indian tour four of our best, Smith, Cummins, Hazlewood and Warner will be smashing the white ball or being cannon fodder in the UAE. All this may be conjecture as the life disruptive pandemic has put Australian cricket in a tailspin.
Exactly Baggers... it's ridiculous to try & prepare for a test series using the short form stuff as a build up, test cricket is all about patience, concentration & composure, need a huge change in mindset between test cricket & the white ball stuff.
 

baggygreen man

also known as Richie
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CA has lost the plot completely. It has cancelled till next year the inaugural Aust v Afghan Test slated for this summer. Yet it retains the four match series against India. This is purely a business/money decision as Covid is raging thru India currently with well over a 1000 daily deaths. Surely this means that Indian cricketers due to tour are at greater risk of contracting the virus. On the other hand Afghanistan is almost Covid-free. What is even more baffling is CA has also abandoned the proposed white ball series against the Kiwis until 2021. Why and why has a 2/3 games test series with the Black Caps not replaced the cancelled Afghan test? Australia and NZ have all but eradicated the virus. Where is this virus-free bubble between countries people speak of?
 
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69er

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Is Cricket Australia risking the absence of two of our best Test bowling attack, Josh Hazlewood amd Pat Cummins for the upcoming Indian Test tour, by allowing them to play in the IPL?

Hazlewood told reporters this week that he is "concerned" that 13 personnel, including two team mates, from his franchise the Chenai Super Kings have contracted Coronavirus and were in isolation. Pat Cummins will turn out for the Kolkata Knight Riders in the IPL which has been transferred to the UAE due to the virus ravaging India. Test batsmen Steve Smith and Dave Warner are also playing in the IPL.

Worst case scenario.. losing all four players would surely hand the four match series to India on a platter.

Baggers
My first thought was wow how stupid is Josh Hazlewood, what did he expect. But upon reflection as the majority of Australian deal with border restrictions, and not being allowed to travel any great distance from our homes, I now think how selfish Hazlewood and the others playing IPL are. Starc refused to play as he put the safety of his family and fellow Australian as being more important than money and his contract was over 1 million. Warner Smith Cummins etc may claim ignorance of the fact as they may not be exposed to active cases, but Hazlewood has admitted to seeing it and still remains.

Hazlewood Warner Smith etc will all easily return to Australia, whilst many Australians are still trapped overseas trying to get home and have been for many months. They will be welcomed back into the fold allowed to travel around Australia in a "bubble" whilst the rest of us are prisoners in our homes, because of these idiots returning from active CoVid sites such as the IPL where it was their choice to go. It was their choice to play, NOT CA. CA should ban these players from playing for Australia for 2 years, tear up their contracts. they have no regard for the safety of Australians, so if that isn't bringing the game into disrepute I don't know what is.

Think I am being harsh, remember the 80's when players were banned from playing for Australia for 2 years, because of playing cricket in South Africa, and the political ban of apartheid, which was no threat to the health of Australians, resulting in death, just all politics. Where are the restrictions to USA currently due to their treatment of their black people.
 

baggygreen man

also known as Richie
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First of all 69er welcome to BigCricket.. enjoy the ride. It appears you have a great love of cricket. Mine was kindled back in 74/5 when Lillee & Thommo inspired our Baggy Greens to annihilate the Pommies. I am afraid the lure of the big bucks is too much for some. I am disappointed that two of the best from our Test attack.. Cummins and Hazlewood plus the bloke Australian cricket cant do without ..Steve Smith accepted the big bucks over common sense. Much prefer they were on hand for the Blues in the first few games of the Shield.
 

69er

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Cummins, Warner Smith are all payed big bucks, for 1 -2 million dollars I'd hang out with CV19 people and the majority of people would as well, but credit to Starc he gave up that money for the safety of others. My opinion of Starc has grown, he is not a selfish man and he did the right thing. But if you do take the money you have to deal with the responsibilities that go with it, and these guys aren't and this has nothing to do with CA they don't want them playing there, Australian politicians don't want them playing there and the public don't want them there and then coming back to Australia spreading more of the virus. They should all be banned from playing for Australia, including Stoinis, Pattinson Maxwell, etc

But Hazlewood is a different kettle. He got one of the last minute contracts, for a minumum pay cheque compared to others. He is not rated by Indian cricket, he is more a net bowler for Super Kings and will play minimum games probably only when there is an injured or rested player, he's only played 1 game out of 3 for the Super Kings so far, didn't do much, so won't get many more games. So why is he still there complaining to the media about being surrounded by CV19, Totally selfish of him. Another one is Carey he won't replace Pant as keeper so why did he remain, selfish all about the money.
 

baggygreen man

also known as Richie
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Reckon the recruiters got it wrong with Cummins. Like Hazlewood a great Test bowler but he is not a white ball bowler. He was shocking against the Poms. I dont regard Hazlewood as selfish.. a little naive if he is aware he is mostly to be used as a net bowler. If that is the case his team skipper is disrespecting an accomplished white ball bowler. If I was Carey I'd have knocked back their offer telling them I wanna be the first team keeper. Carey 'd keep Pant under the table. As for his batting his recent white ball ton against the Pommies was all class.
 

69er

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Hazlewood is not naive, he's one of the most established bowlers in the world. Hazlewood has told selectors he wants to play T20 WC in Australia. It's all about the glory for Hazlewood, so yes he is selfish, he is trying to prove a point without regard to the consequences of his actions.
 

69er

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Not disagreeing like yourself I don't rate Hazlewood in the shorter forms of the game, and he would be better off playing shield cricket, but he rarely plays shield games, 1 maybe 2 a year, that is not enough. For me it shows with his inability to put back to back quality performances at test level which is what happened against SA India and even England one good game followed by average games is not good enough at test level.

But it is also evident as is his ability to maintain quality bowling throughout a game. Look at what Ben Stokes did to him in the 3rd Ashes test even though Hazlewood had taken 4 wickets, Stokes took 20 runs off him in 1 over and won the test for England. He wasn't alone as Cummins also went for a lot but Cummins also hasn't played a lot of shield cricket either 13 shield games is not a lot for Cummins. This is something CA needs to address. Don't play shield level, don't play them for Australia. They need to be match hardened.
 

baggygreen man

also known as Richie
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With you on this. Our Test attack needs to be told to forestall IPL and either have a off season or two in England or turn out for the first two/three Shield matches. I disagree that Hazlewood is a bad as you make out. He is a quality red ball bowler and a worthy member of our Test attack. He is a moderate white ball bowler who has never been able to overcome someone taking the big stick to him..ala Stokes in that game. Despite this his white ball record is not all that shabby. Having said this, I have maintained all along that our white ball attack needs to be comprised of specialist white ball bowlers.. blokes that shine in BBL or ODD year after year. The Poms have this policy and it works for them.
 

69er

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I just rate Hazlewood along with Siddle. Remember in 2011 when Siddle ripped the heart out of India with a batting line up of Gambhir, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Kholi, Dhoni. and even Ravi Ashwin taking 23 wickets at 18 we won 4-0, 2 of them by an innings. I won't mention last time India came out here with a nothing batting line-up apart from Kholi, and how they spanked our bowlers to win the series.

If you were to ask me would I replace any of the incumbent bowling attack of Starc Pattinson Cummins and Lyon with Siddle of course I would say no, thus I wouldn't replace any of the incumbent bowling attack with Hazlewood. Remember the incumbent bowling attack that beat the No 2 ranked side in the world NZ was Starc, Pattinson, Cummins and Lyons. Hazlewood has to prove himself at shield level to replace any of the incumbent attack, but instead is playing IPL.
 

baggygreen man

also known as Richie
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I just rate Hazlewood along with Siddle.
What!!! Hazlewood is in the incumbent attack. As much as I admire Patto.. he is the reserve bowler. If anyone needs to go it is the perennially inconsistent Starc. He has been around since 2011 and has only played 57 matches.. and up till his past 10 tests averaged a piddling @29.
Siddles record dont stack up with Hazlewoods. Siddle has had his moments in Test cricket and has a big heart but lacks the quality of the Tamworth product. Admittedly Hazes figures had slumped over the past year but he was back to his best in the Ashes. And how is he supposed to prove himself at state level to satisfy you if he is unavailable due to Test commitments. He has proven himself to those that matter..CA..whenever he has turned out for the Blues. Again check records.
 
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baggygreen man

also known as Richie
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I like all proud pure cricket mad Australians was devastated over Sandpapergate. Shocked above all. Did we need to resort to this as we have been winning Test matches without cheating for 150 years. Were we in great danger of losing the Test in question? And what of it. We have lost Test matches before.

Baseless conjecture that the quicks were complicite in Warners devious plot. Funny you dont mention Cummins in your so called bowlers plot. If you are as big a cricket follower as you make out 69er then you must know that Hazlewood is not and has never been a swing bowler.. he is a specialist seam bowler.. relies on moving the ball off the seam..not in the air for a majority of his wickets.. Starc on the other hand does rely on his wickets from a swinging ball.

I agree to this extent with you Warner shud have been sacked never to have worn a baggy green again. He was the instigator and carried out his cowardly plan by using a young rather naive cricketer to do his dirty work. That is reprehensible behavior. Smith was only guilty of being weak as piss by turning a blind eye to a cheating act.. reason CA saw fit to not remove him permanently from the captaincy role.
I reckon now we can put Sandpapergate to bed. Dont you. And please no more Hazlewood or Blues bashing. It is tiresome and I wont reply in future.
 
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baggygreen man

also known as Richie
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I am pretty excited by our next gen pace bowlers.. Bartlett, Kelly, Ellis, Hadley, Edwards, Neil-Smith, Hardie, Morris. All r/armers . Where are our next gen lefties?
 

69er

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Are you sure about Aaron Hardie? he's English born, may end up playing against us

Ryan Hadley struggles to take wickets in the Futures comp

Lawrence Neil-Smith struggles to take wickets in general, what's his FC av 60?

Lance Morris I don't think you'll see much of unless he moves interstate.

Ellis is 26 but I'll agree I was impressed

Blake Edwards was impressive against us, but a lot of Qlders in front of him, needs to move interstate

Don't really care myself if leftie or RH, just the 3 best strike bowlers should play for states and eventually Australia, it's total rubbish about "balance", leftie required, economical required all BS. You take wickets effectively then you play, don't even need a "workhorse" if you have effective Strike bowlers, the opposition won't be out there long. Don't need all-rounders if 4 best strike bowlers playing. Didn't see Lillee or Thomo calling for a leftie, or an economical workhorse, or even an all-rounder, couldn't get the ball out of their hands.
 
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