courtjester
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
Maybe Crosthwaite just wants a game for Australia, so he moved to NSW?
Maybe Crosthwaite just wants a game for Australia, so he moved to NSW?
Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
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Sober Symonds
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
A-ha! He's a lot smarter than we might think!
courtjester;373607 said:Maybe Crosthwaite just wants a game for Australia, so he moved to NSW?
A-ha! He's a lot smarter than we might think!
eddiesmith
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
James moved in 2005/06, a long time ago so its nothing to do with Wade
I dont know what Wade was given but I think it was as much him wanting to move away from Tassie where Paine wasnt about to disappear
But the fact was Victoria needed a keeper capable of making some good first class scores, Crossy really appeared to be more a one day speciallist
James moved in 2005/06, a long time ago so its nothing to do with Wade
I dont know what Wade was given but I think it was as much him wanting to move away from Tassie where Paine wasnt about to disappear
But the fact was Victoria needed a keeper capable of making some good first class scores, Crossy really appeared to be more a one day speciallist
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
Been impressed with Cameron White - really impressed to be honest.
Michael Clarke wouldn't want to struggle come the ODI's this summer, just quietly.
Been impressed with Cameron White - really impressed to be honest.
Michael Clarke wouldn't want to struggle come the ODI's this summer, just quietly.
Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
Clarke is a protected species.
Somehow the same guy that scores a century (batting at 5 or 6) when Australia averages more than 500; a guy that angered the 'most respected state captain' enough to be physically confonted is captaincy material.
He will never be found out because the standard of international cricket is just too poor.
Clarke is a protected species.
Somehow the same guy that scores a century (batting at 5 or 6) when Australia averages more than 500; a guy that angered the 'most respected state captain' enough to be physically confonted is captaincy material.
He will never be found out because the standard of international cricket is just too poor.
courtjester
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
Quote me on this: Cam White will be Australian test captain at some point in the next 6 years.
Quote me on this: Cam White will be Australian test captain at some point in the next 6 years.
a for effort
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
Can't see him ever being first-choice captain in front of Clarke, who has been groomed for the job for years. I'm sure he'd make a very good captain, as long as he never ever bowls himself, but Clarke would have to be involved in some sort of amazing Shane Warne style off-field indiscretion to be overlooked when Ponting reitres.
Can't see him ever being first-choice captain in front of Clarke, who has been groomed for the job for years. I'm sure he'd make a very good captain, as long as he never ever bowls himself, but Clarke would have to be involved in some sort of amazing Shane Warne style off-field indiscretion to be overlooked when Ponting reitres.
Kram81
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
I really don't even know about White being a Test player, a few ahead f him IMO. I'd like to see him as a ODI and 20/20 Captain in the future though, he's starting to look really good as a batsman.
courtjester;374577 said:
I really don't even know about White being a Test player, a few ahead f him IMO. I'd like to see him as a ODI and 20/20 Captain in the future though, he's starting to look really good as a batsman.
courtjester
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
Ponting, Katich and Hussey are all 34 years old. That means they will likely retire in the same season, meaning Katich and Hussey are not likely to captain Australia permenantly. Haddin is 32 and wont be far behind them retiring.
Clarke has been injured a fair bit lately.
White is nearly 3 years younger than Clarke, and has captained Victoria for a number of years.
Put it this way...if Ponting, Katich, Haddin and Hussey all retire in the next two years, and Clarke is injured again, who will captain Australia?
It'd be a toss up between White and North. Now I personally have no doubt that White has the batting ability to bat at 5 or 6 for Australia ( I know some disagree ). I think when Hussey retires that spot should be his. And if the above all happened, i'd be going for White to captain. North would be 32-33 and closing on retirement.
Ponting, Katich and Hussey are all 34 years old. That means they will likely retire in the same season, meaning Katich and Hussey are not likely to captain Australia permenantly. Haddin is 32 and wont be far behind them retiring.
Clarke has been injured a fair bit lately.
White is nearly 3 years younger than Clarke, and has captained Victoria for a number of years.
Put it this way...if Ponting, Katich, Haddin and Hussey all retire in the next two years, and Clarke is injured again, who will captain Australia?
It'd be a toss up between White and North. Now I personally have no doubt that White has the batting ability to bat at 5 or 6 for Australia ( I know some disagree ). I think when Hussey retires that spot should be his. And if the above all happened, i'd be going for White to captain. North would be 32-33 and closing on retirement.
Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
The Cam White situation itself is just another example of very poor long term planning.
Who gives the captaincy of a state to a budding young spinner? How they hell is he supposed to bowl himself during cricual times in matches? The more skills you have as a player the more value you can be to a side and surely increases chances of Australian selectors.
White should only have been given the Shield captaincy a year or two ago. Captaining the one dayers is a different matter, he could have done it that from the time he started.
The guy was picked as a specialist spinner at the start of his career and can barely be classified as al all-rounder because he simply doesn't bowl. Common sense tells me that a significant part of being up to it is being tested in match conditions and beign given the opportunity to develop. Ideally with a Hodge or a Hussy patting you on the back telling you not to worry about being hit tonked for a few overs is the way this is achieved.
The Cam White situation itself is just another example of very poor long term planning.
Who gives the captaincy of a state to a budding young spinner? How they hell is he supposed to bowl himself during cricual times in matches? The more skills you have as a player the more value you can be to a side and surely increases chances of Australian selectors.
White should only have been given the Shield captaincy a year or two ago. Captaining the one dayers is a different matter, he could have done it that from the time he started.
The guy was picked as a specialist spinner at the start of his career and can barely be classified as al all-rounder because he simply doesn't bowl. Common sense tells me that a significant part of being up to it is being tested in match conditions and beign given the opportunity to develop. Ideally with a Hodge or a Hussy patting you on the back telling you not to worry about being hit tonked for a few overs is the way this is achieved.
Kram81
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
I actually meant that he has to make the side and prove himself as a Test player before it's even worth thinking about, nothing to do with leadership. That could be a fair way off.
courtjester;374595 said:
I actually meant that he has to make the side and prove himself as a Test player before it's even worth thinking about, nothing to do with leadership. That could be a fair way off.
Kram81
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
I don't care what anyone says he's not a bowler and never will be. It's a waste of time bothering with it, the guy is a batsman (and a talented one) that's all he should be concentrating on 100%.
Bruno.V;374608 said:
I don't care what anyone says he's not a bowler and never will be. It's a waste of time bothering with it, the guy is a batsman (and a talented one) that's all he should be concentrating on 100%.
Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
He certainly isn't now. There is absolutely no doubt about that.
His style of bowling would need to be built on guile and subtle deviation (much in the same way Kumble got his wickets - this is not to say that he would have been half as good as Kumble).
I cannot imagine that bowlers like Kumble are born good. Surely his skill set took a long time to develop and came with experience. Having an occasional bowl in a shield match or bowling in one day or 20 20 cricket wont be too helpful for development.
He certainly isn't now. There is absolutely no doubt about that.
His style of bowling would need to be built on guile and subtle deviation (much in the same way Kumble got his wickets - this is not to say that he would have been half as good as Kumble).
I cannot imagine that bowlers like Kumble are born good. Surely his skill set took a long time to develop and came with experience. Having an occasional bowl in a shield match or bowling in one day or 20 20 cricket wont be too helpful for development.
Sober Symonds
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
White would be a good chance to captain Aust in ODI's, and almost certainly in T/20's, but in Tests I would doubt it at this stage. It could only be as a batsman, and there are others in line ahead of him surely as a top six contender for the long game. Even if his bowling were to re-emerge (it hasn't been that long since he was Australia's spinner in India), I can't imagine the Test team being captained by an all-rounder.
White would be a good chance to captain Aust in ODI's, and almost certainly in T/20's, but in Tests I would doubt it at this stage. It could only be as a batsman, and there are others in line ahead of him surely as a top six contender for the long game. Even if his bowling were to re-emerge (it hasn't been that long since he was Australia's spinner in India), I can't imagine the Test team being captained by an all-rounder.
eddiesmith
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I suppose the point being made is, White should break into that side as a batsman very shortly, there isnt much ahead of him at all
Ferguson is out for 12 months, Dussey and Hodge are too old now, the rest of the contenders are all opening batsmen, one which cant even play a short ball yet opens! Mussey should be gone shortly, even if they move Watson down, Clarke will be missing reguarly
Add in the fact the age of the current side then in a couple of years time when Michael Clarke is having his injury break then there wont be many contenders to captain, they dont seem to be in favour of bowlers as captain. Looking 2 years down the track and depending on who is playing it will be between North and White. Watson or Hughes arent captaincy material nor is Ferguson if he is around then, anyone else will have little experience at the International level
I suppose the point being made is, White should break into that side as a batsman very shortly, there isnt much ahead of him at all
Ferguson is out for 12 months, Dussey and Hodge are too old now, the rest of the contenders are all opening batsmen, one which cant even play a short ball yet opens! Mussey should be gone shortly, even if they move Watson down, Clarke will be missing reguarly
Add in the fact the age of the current side then in a couple of years time when Michael Clarke is having his injury break then there wont be many contenders to captain, they dont seem to be in favour of bowlers as captain. Looking 2 years down the track and depending on who is playing it will be between North and White. Watson or Hughes arent captaincy material nor is Ferguson if he is around then, anyone else will have little experience at the International level
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
The paper run is calling eddie.
The paper run is calling eddie.
eddiesmith
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
Probably Finch to 4, Hussey to 3
But Finch should be expecting a callup to the one day side in place of Quiney at the top
Probably Finch to 4, Hussey to 3
But Finch should be expecting a callup to the one day side in place of Quiney at the top
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
A great win last night at the G for the mighty Bulls.
The ball to get Hodgey was a beauty from Walter.
A great win last night at the G for the mighty Bulls.
The ball to get Hodgey was a beauty from Walter.
Sober Symonds
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Re: Victoria doesn't deserve to have any Australian representatives.
Didn't see any of it. Not sure I want to. I know anyone has their slip-ups from time to time, but losing at home to an inexperienced line-up like Qld after having them on the ropes for most of their innings is not good enough.
Why do guys who have proven they can play, like Quiney, suddenly go backwards and become unable to contribute in any game they play?
Didn't see any of it. Not sure I want to. I know anyone has their slip-ups from time to time, but losing at home to an inexperienced line-up like Qld after having them on the ropes for most of their innings is not good enough.
Why do guys who have proven they can play, like Quiney, suddenly go backwards and become unable to contribute in any game they play?