Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

[eddiesmith]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

The stupidity you talk Eddie has no bounds.

Another hollow Victorian shield win by default.

Hahahaha, oh thats hilarious coming from you, after all the crap this week about how great QLD is, how they were going to win the Shield or my favourite about how Hartley is actually good and was going to make a century

But it seems yet again the QLDers have choked, just couldnt get the job done, from 6/75 the game was theirs to lose and they lost it, big time, batsmen couldnt make runs on a road and the bowlers couldnt take the wickets twice, the so called gun QLD attack left it all up to a rookie kid to get all the wickets as the Batsmen had fun trying to smash him out of the park

But nothing hollow about it, this is coming from a state who decided to make 900 a couple of years ago and kill off the match, ever since then all bets are off, no reason for the home team to offer the away team anything especially when their bowling attack consists of McGain, McDonald and White

Suck it up, your bowlers are all overrated, absolutely useless outside of the GABBA where it moves everywhere, you're batsmen had no clue what to do when confronted with a flat track and a chance to make a big total and come tomorrow will just block out a boring draw because they dont have the guts to chase

No captain is going to see them something gettable like 450 off 150 overs or whatever crap you wanted especially when they dont have a pace attack

Get over it, QLD blew it, they couldnt win the games that counted

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Hahahaha, oh thats hilarious coming from you, after all the crap this week about how great QLD is, how they were going to win the Shield or my favourite about how Hartley is actually good and was going to make a century

But it seems yet again the QLDers have choked, just couldnt get the job done, from 6/75 the game was theirs to lose and they lost it, big time, batsmen couldnt make runs on a road and the bowlers couldnt take the wickets twice, the so called gun QLD attack left it all up to a rookie kid to get all the wickets as the Batsmen had fun trying to smash him out of the park

But nothing hollow about it, this is coming from a state who decided to make 900 a couple of years ago and kill off the match, ever since then all bets are off, no reason for the home team to offer the away team anything especially when their bowling attack consists of McGain, McDonald and White

Suck it up, your bowlers are all overrated, absolutely useless outside of the GABBA where it moves everywhere, you're batsmen had no clue what to do when confronted with a flat track and a chance to make a big total and come tomorrow will just block out a boring draw because they dont have the guts to chase

No captain is going to see them something gettable like 450 off 150 overs or whatever crap you wanted especially when they dont have a pace attack

Get over it, QLD blew it, they couldnt win the games that counted

Hey Eddie, how many players from Victoria are in the Australian team at the moment?

Players like McDonald, White and McGain - who can't hack it with the big boys - are Victoria's main players. Not to mentioned podgey Hodgey, complete with mummy throwing a tanty when her son doesn't get picked in the team.

Victoria produces top notch state players, but Queensland produces international quality players.

Cop that.

 

[a for effort]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

My favourite part is going to be when Victoria win the Sheffield Shield and Queensland do not win the Sheffield Shield

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Well I spose the Vics have to hang on to something, considering the hack international cricketers they produce.

 

[eddiesmith]

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Hahaha, oh this is hilarious, LtD is really losing it now, I thought he was just trolling but it now seems he actually genuinely thought QLD were a chance, got his hopes up for nothing then they further teased him on day 1, oh what a shame

QLD produce international cricketers? Wow, amazing claim seeing as they havent had a test player picked from QLD for a while and just got their first new QLD player into the test side in a very long time, one they poached from SA

In the last 12 months Victoria has had plenty of test reps whilst QLD have produced nothing

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

Test reps like McGain, McDonald and Siddle.

Woah, look out - lots of talent there.

Arguably 3 of the worst test cricketers to ever represent Australia.

Victoria produces great state cricketers, but it produces average to poor international test players.

 

[brickwaller99]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

hey hey steady on LtD. Siddle might be a good cricketer. In 5 years time when he calms down and hardens up so he doesn't just bowl 1 good spell in 3 or 4.
McGain had a tough time expected to be as good as warne in south africa is not easy. McDonald was funny but would be a good one day player if the team wasn't full already.
It is partially true though, victoria is notorious for not stepping up to the international scene.

Victoria did not have a better team in the shield, they just won more important games as they should with 6 million people compared to 2.5. But they deserve the win. It's just not all the test selections are or were at the right time.

 

[Boris]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

Why can we not just say well done to the Vics and be happy with where we got with half the quality of players that Victoria has. Give it a year or two and this Queensland team will be working wonders.

Also on the Chris Hartley stuff a couple of pages back... guess who got the player of the season eddie?

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

Now we know why White declared so late, he knew QLD would collapse so he wanted to ensure the fans got their moneys worth, would have been a shit day if White had declared when others wanted him to and the game was over by 11:30 this morning

Its a shame QLD couldnt show any guts, the great Shield player of the year was useless when the pressure was on whilst Wade wins man of the match

 

[Boris]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

Queensland didn't show any guts?!?!

How the hell did a team that has only 1 player in it that played full time 2 years ago, 3 players that were on the fringe two years ago and the rest are debutants of less than 1 or 1-2 seasons, get to be in the final TWO YEARS IN A ROW, against a side that is at it's peak performance level maturity wise, and has some of, if not the, best domestic cricketers in the world in it.

Going by that Victoria should have stacked up a lead of 600 on the third day

I'm content with Queensland finishing in the top half of the table while the experience level is so low, let alone beating Victoria a week out of the final and then showing some level of menace in the final itself in enemy territory after losing the toss. Don't forget that it took a miraculous save by Wade to get Victoria into this, the four no named bowlers proving too much in the first innings against some arguably Test level batsmen.

The better team won, obviously, but you can't take away the fact that Queensland has shown the most guts this season out of any other team, perhaps of the last few decades.

Well done to Victoria for another stellar season, and a special well done to the new kids on the block that have shown their worth.

 

[brickwaller99]

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So what? Never liked him, he does it all the time, his highest score is 100, loves playing QLD and Tassie though.

the great Shield player of the year was useless when the pressure was on whilst Wade wins man of the match

Why the change of heart good eddie? Surely just because he won it doesn't make him good? otherwise a new south welshman would be good

 

[Sober Symonds]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

Emphatic win to the Vics. Most fitting considering their dominance at this format for some time. The bowling stocks ended up very thin, so full credit to the guys who stood up throughout the season.

Still, it won't be acknowledged as it should by some who have trouble accepting this success. The players are labelled duds when it suits a particular argument, then the same people will say they should have won with the players they had, etc. etc.

All the players can do is their best, and if its not good enough for Australian selectors, it can hardly be held against them.

Qld have no reason to be too disappointed, as they have a very inexperienced team who have served them well throughout a tough time, when it would have been understandable for them to spend a season or two getting belted as part of the rebuilding phase.

 

[eddiesmith]

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Why the change of heart good eddie? Surely just because he won it doesn't make him good? otherwise a new south welshman would be good

No it doesnt make him good, still better than Hartley when the pressure is on

 

[eddiesmith]

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Queensland didn't show any guts?!?!

How the hell did a team that has only 1 player in it that played full time 2 years ago, 3 players that were on the fringe two years ago and the rest are debutants of less than 1 or 1-2 seasons, get to be in the final TWO YEARS IN A ROW, against a side that is at it's peak performance level maturity wise, and has some of, if not the, best domestic cricketers in the world in it.

Going by that Victoria should have stacked up a lead of 600 on the third day

I'm content with Queensland finishing in the top half of the table while the experience level is so low, let alone beating Victoria a week out of the final and then showing some level of menace in the final itself in enemy territory after losing the toss. Don't forget that it took a miraculous save by Wade to get Victoria into this, the four no named bowlers proving too much in the first innings against some arguably Test level batsmen.

The better team won, obviously, but you can't take away the fact that Queensland has shown the most guts this season out of any other team, perhaps of the last few decades.

Well done to Victoria for another stellar season, and a special well done to the new kids on the block that have shown their worth.

So which of Hartley, Hopes, Simpson, Carseldine, Broad was the only one who used to play 2 years ago? Chris Swan also debuted 4 years ago

No they showed no guts, the batting was pathetic and their bowlers dropped their heads the second the opposition batsmen got on top. The Victorian bowling lineup could barely walk, by the 2nd innings they were down to 2 spinners, 2 medium pacers and an opening bowler who badly injured his calf last week and was almost walking in to bowl.

Half of Victorias best XI played and they won by over 450 runs, I suppose it just shows that QLD have a massive home ground advantage but their bowlers are useless when the ball aint swinging

 

[Boris]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

So which of Hartley, Hopes, Simpson, Carseldine, Broad was the only one who used to play 2 years ago? Chris Swan also debuted 4 years ago

No they showed no guts, the batting was pathetic and their bowlers dropped their heads the second the opposition batsmen got on top. The Victorian bowling lineup could barely walk, by the 2nd innings they were down to 2 spinners, 2 medium pacers and an opening bowler who badly injured his calf last week and was almost walking in to bowl.

Half of Victorias best XI played and they won by over 450 runs, I suppose it just shows that QLD have a massive home ground advantage but their bowlers are useless when the ball aint swinging

Carseldine, Broad and Hopes didn't play 2 years ago. Hopes is almost always on international duties at some point, Carseldine was an outer, only came into the side after Love's retirement last season, otherwise he played come injuries, and Broad came after Maher's exit, but had some trouble staying in the side. Swan debuted four years ago but hasn't played full time until now.

I forgot Hartley when I said only one, Simpson has been there a while, but until he was captained he wasn't that big a deal, wasn't a set player. Phillipson comes in sometimes but is down on form, always seems to be in the longer format.

The rest of your post is blatant bagging of the opposition. If you haven't noticed Queensland is effectively into it's 3rd XI after having to call players up from Brisbane Grade matches to play for them after player movement, retirements, injuries and Symonds.

It's like staging New Zealand against Australia. New Zealand has a much reduced population and most of the people there don't play cricket. Try as they might it is a huge struggle to get players of quality through. Then when they get some world class guys into a good team it takes them 5 years to get anywhere with them. Then they get there and the team retires and splits apart. Then finding new blood is necessary again and is very hard to find this sort of thing.

Then they get into the final two years in a row, last year coming close to victory. This year they are even more split apart and they still make the final.

It's a very big achievement to be able to do this, and to give any sort of challenge (eg day 1) to the big team in Australia is a massive accomplishment. Look out for them next year and the year after, this is the best sign Queensland has had for a while. Expect some of these players to play for Australia and expect a shield win.

If Queensland had injuries now, they are pretty much screwed. They would be going around to the local clubs asking for players. And yet they still get to the final.

 

[The Ox]

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Carseldine, Broad and Hopes didn't play 2 years ago. Hopes is almost always on international duties at some point, Carseldine was an outer, only came into the side after Love's retirement last season, otherwise he played come injuries, and Broad came after Maher's exit, but had some trouble staying in the side. Swan debuted four years ago but hasn't played full time until now.

I forgot Hartley when I said only one, Simpson has been there a while, but until he was captained he wasn't that big a deal, wasn't a set player. Phillipson comes in sometimes but is down on form, always seems to be in the longer format.

The rest of your post is blatant bagging of the opposition. If you haven't noticed Queensland is effectively into it's 3rd XI after having to call players up from Brisbane Grade matches to play for them after player movement, retirements, injuries and Symonds.

It's like staging New Zealand against Australia. New Zealand has a much reduced population and most of the people there don't play cricket. Try as they might it is a huge struggle to get players of quality through. Then when they get some world class guys into a good team it takes them 5 years to get anywhere with them. Then they get there and the team retires and splits apart. Then finding new blood is necessary again and is very hard to find this sort of thing.

Then they get into the final two years in a row, last year coming close to victory. This year they are even more split apart and they still make the final.

It's a very big achievement to be able to do this, and to give any sort of challenge (eg day 1) to the big team in Australia is a massive accomplishment. Look out for them next year and the year after, this is the best sign Queensland has had for a while. Expect some of these players to play for Australia and expect a shield win.

If Queensland had injuries now, they are pretty much screwed. They would be going around to the local clubs asking for players. And yet they still get to the final.

Any chance they may look at singing some interstate players to prevent this from occurring?

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Queensland has a proud history of supplying international players for Australian duty - in that regard they are up there with NSW as the best state in the comp.

Victoria has always focussed predominately on shield cricket - especially of late. I congratulate Eddie and Victoria on their win, however lets be realistic, Victoria is full of players who couldn't handle it at international level - hence they are always going to be a hard team to beat at state level.

Queensland is a proud state, and a successful state and the Bulls did the state proud this year.

 

[Ljp86]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

Let's end the Victoria/Queensland sourness here shall we? Queensland had their chance to nail Victoria on day one and couldn't do it then didn't have the bowling attack to take Victoria out a second time. The Vics played a good all-round game after being in trouble early and took control of the match after Queensland couldn't capatalise on their big opportunity early on.

Whilst I believe Cam White's late declaration was a little unfair, they didn't have to declare at all and Queensland were lucky they did, they might have still been fielding at lunch on day five if White didn't call them in.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to next season. These type of games though only further strengthen my belief that the Shield final should be extended to six days (with a rest day after day three) to eliminate these types of matches with sides batting teams out of the game. The advantage to the home-side is a little too great now as we have seen over the past decade or so and teams are resorting to negative cricket in order to win/draw matches which I don't particularly agree with. But that's the rules at the moment and as long as they are in place teams will continue to capatalise on the advantage that hosting the final brings.

 

[The Ox]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

Queensland has a proud history of supplying international players for Australian duty - in that regard they are up there with NSW as the best state in the comp.

Victoria has always focussed predominately on shield cricket - especially of late. I congratulate Eddie and Victoria on their win, however lets be realistic, Victoria is full of players who couldn't handle it at international level - hence they are always going to be a hard team to beat at state level.

Queensland is a proud state, and a successful state and the Bulls did the state proud this year.

Lets be realistic, that's a load of crap.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010

Then they get into the final two years in a row, last year coming close to victory. This year they are even more split apart and they still make the final.

It's a very big achievement to be able to do this

Last year was a big achievement?

Broad, Love, Carseldine, Watson, Symonds, Hartley, Hopes, Simpson

Lets not go overboard, last year they were still strong

But I dont see it as that great an achievement to make the final this year, they found a pace attack that can exploit their home conditions and won 4/5 matches at home, all thats needed for a final spot and then they were exposed when the pitch flattened out a bit. I did notice every time QLD made a decent score this season, so did their opposition

However I like how you claim QLD has no numbers, its not like Victoria has everyone playing cricket, we have the little problem of AFL which every young player prefers, a long list of very good young players could be produced from recent years who are now playing AFL footy with Alex Keath, the star of the U19 world cup headed the same way

But whilst talking up Victorias experience, you were beaten by 2 players in their first full season of cricket in the 1st innings and the bowling attack consisted of a bloke who could barely walk and played 5 consecutive games for the first time ever for Victoria, a very old man who missed half the season with injury, a leg spinner who only started playing full time about 3 years ago and the young allrounder in his first full season and had played every game in every format dating back to India in October

Maybe questions should be asked of QLD management why no one wants to live in the perfect state and they all move elsewhere to play cricket