LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
Love edwards, that 700+ draw a few years back still cuts deep with the big man.
Love edwards, that 700+ draw a few years back still cuts deep with the big man.
Sheffield Shield Thread 2009/2010
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eddiesmith
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
That what? Dont recall any 700+ draw
I do remember a magnificent Victorian trick when they had to bat 2nd at the GABBA, collapsing so badly the Bulls thought this is easy, enforced the follow on and the Victorian batsmen showed their true colours, I think Hodgey got about 280
That what? Dont recall any 700+ draw
I do remember a magnificent Victorian trick when they had to bat 2nd at the GABBA, collapsing so badly the Bulls thought this is easy, enforced the follow on and the Victorian batsmen showed their true colours, I think Hodgey got about 280
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
Hodgey hey.
Destined to be Australia's Graeme Hick.
Hodgey hey.
Destined to be Australia's Graeme Hick.
Rampant
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
If only South Australia could develop some decent players, rather than picking up the discards from the other states...eddiesmith;374816 said:I dont understand that mob way up north, they are given an extremely generous target of 328 off 89 overs on the flattest pitch in world cricket and they arent even trying to chase it?
I hope they lose, I see the worlds slowest batsman has just padded up to a straight ball and been given out LBW, 33 overs and 6 wickets to get, GO SA
Wait, 5 wickets now
Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
It seems to me as if there is something not quite right with Redback facilities. The state has produced some very fine cricketers in the past, and continues to do so, but when you pupt them all together there seems to be a problem.
Dan Cullen and Cullen Bailey were meant to be Warne's predecessors, instead they are hardly playing for SA.
When players do very well for SA there doesn't seem to be the same recognition either. While Cosgrove was playing well he was just shrugged off as 'another redback'. Gillespie had three seasons of blistering form yet wasn't noticed by the public and selectors, except for a couple of news paper articles every 12 months, a 6fa and a double century. Even Ferguson has not been noticed during the time he should have been.
I am thinking in more conspiracies, but might there be something wrong with their development facilities?
It seems to me as if there is something not quite right with Redback facilities. The state has produced some very fine cricketers in the past, and continues to do so, but when you pupt them all together there seems to be a problem.
Dan Cullen and Cullen Bailey were meant to be Warne's predecessors, instead they are hardly playing for SA.
When players do very well for SA there doesn't seem to be the same recognition either. While Cosgrove was playing well he was just shrugged off as 'another redback'. Gillespie had three seasons of blistering form yet wasn't noticed by the public and selectors, except for a couple of news paper articles every 12 months, a 6fa and a double century. Even Ferguson has not been noticed during the time he should have been.
I am thinking in more conspiracies, but might there be something wrong with their development facilities?
eddiesmith
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
Ferguson had about half a season of good form and he was thrown into the Australian team, hardly any time for anyone to notice
WA also seems to have some problem, possibly at the coaching level, in turning decent players into test calibre
Ferguson had about half a season of good form and he was thrown into the Australian team, hardly any time for anyone to notice
WA also seems to have some problem, possibly at the coaching level, in turning decent players into test calibre
eddiesmith
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
Oh as for WA imports, dont forget Brad Knowles, Victorian district cricketer but over in WA a first choice player
There was an Australian cricket academy over there, but it may have moved now to the AIS in CanberraRampant;375510 said:
Oh as for WA imports, dont forget Brad Knowles, Victorian district cricketer but over in WA a first choice player
Rampant
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
Well that's a given...eddiesmith;375518 said:There was an Australian cricket academy over there, but it may have moved now to the AIS in Canberra
Oh as for WA imports, dont forget Brad Knowles, Victorian district cricketer but over in WA a first choice player
a for effort
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
The lack of quality South Australian cricketers compared to other states may be partially due to population size (~1.5mil), compared to the NSW (~7mill), VIC (~5.3mill), and QLD (~4.3mill). Of course this can't be the only reason, because Tasmania only has 500,000 people and produces more international standard cricketers then SA, as does WA with a population of ~2.2mill.
Other than that, who knows? We've had our fair share of players who've been tagged the next big thing, such as Cosgrove, Bailey, Cullen, Ferguson, yet only Fergy has shown anything to suggest that he will be a good international player. I guess the buck has to stop with the coaching staff. By all accounts Greg Chappell was a fool and did nothing to aid South Australian cricket (Or Indian cricket for that matter
), and could possibly be held partially accountable for the failure of the aforementioned promising players into stars.
Regardless of who you attribute the blame to, South Australia seems to be a cricketing black hole where promise and ability go to die.
The lack of quality South Australian cricketers compared to other states may be partially due to population size (~1.5mil), compared to the NSW (~7mill), VIC (~5.3mill), and QLD (~4.3mill). Of course this can't be the only reason, because Tasmania only has 500,000 people and produces more international standard cricketers then SA, as does WA with a population of ~2.2mill.
Other than that, who knows? We've had our fair share of players who've been tagged the next big thing, such as Cosgrove, Bailey, Cullen, Ferguson, yet only Fergy has shown anything to suggest that he will be a good international player. I guess the buck has to stop with the coaching staff. By all accounts Greg Chappell was a fool and did nothing to aid South Australian cricket (Or Indian cricket for that matter
), and could possibly be held partially accountable for the failure of the aforementioned promising players into stars.Regardless of who you attribute the blame to, South Australia seems to be a cricketing black hole where promise and ability go to die.
Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
A lot of it comes down to the administration and coaching level. South Australia have been struggling for a long time in this area, hampered by poor coaching and a range of problems within the SACA. This is hardly an environment for a team to perform well.
A lack of talent has also hindered the side. The retirements of Lehmann and Gillespie have left the cupboard pretty bare with none of the home-grown talent able to perform consistently at first-class level. This has lead to the SACA recruiting many players from other states who were fringe players or in-and-out of the team at best.
Dan Cullen has gone completely backwards over the past few seasons, he has gone from playing a couple of games for Australia to not even able to break into South Australia's Sheffield Shield side. Cullen Bailey has had much the same problem, playing only a handful of games over the past few seasons (mainly due to Dan Cullen taking the spinner's role) but only now has he started to shows signs of improvement and now he has the spinning role in the Shield team.
Moody hasn't done a lot for the Warriors to this point, he has struggled to have an impact on the side and nothing seems to be really working. The Pomersbach situation hasn't helped either, we don't seem to have a middle order batsman that is capable of scoring runs quickly (with the exception of North and now Luke Ronchi has who his form back).
From Saturday's FRC side:
Ronchi - Born in NZ, not sure where he played his junior cricket
Noffke - Queensland
North - Born in Victoria, played all of his junior cricket in WA though (Not really imported)
Knowles - Victoria
Others:
Jason Behrendorff - Australian Capital Territory
Simon Branston - Warwickshire
Justin Coetzee - Born in South Africa, played most of his junior cricket in WA
Ben Edmondson - Queensland
Chris Gayle
D) - West Indies
Michael Hogan - New South Wales
Steve Magoffin - Queensland
Josh Mangan - Victoria
Boris;375499 said:
A lot of it comes down to the administration and coaching level. South Australia have been struggling for a long time in this area, hampered by poor coaching and a range of problems within the SACA. This is hardly an environment for a team to perform well.
A lack of talent has also hindered the side. The retirements of Lehmann and Gillespie have left the cupboard pretty bare with none of the home-grown talent able to perform consistently at first-class level. This has lead to the SACA recruiting many players from other states who were fringe players or in-and-out of the team at best.
Dan Cullen has gone completely backwards over the past few seasons, he has gone from playing a couple of games for Australia to not even able to break into South Australia's Sheffield Shield side. Cullen Bailey has had much the same problem, playing only a handful of games over the past few seasons (mainly due to Dan Cullen taking the spinner's role) but only now has he started to shows signs of improvement and now he has the spinning role in the Shield team.
eddiesmith;375502 said:
Moody hasn't done a lot for the Warriors to this point, he has struggled to have an impact on the side and nothing seems to be really working. The Pomersbach situation hasn't helped either, we don't seem to have a middle order batsman that is capable of scoring runs quickly (with the exception of North and now Luke Ronchi has who his form back).
Rampant;375517 said:Who has WA imported, besides Gilchrist, Johnson and Noffke? (I'm aware you're still a little bitter over Noffke
From Saturday's FRC side:
Ronchi - Born in NZ, not sure where he played his junior cricket
Noffke - Queensland
North - Born in Victoria, played all of his junior cricket in WA though (Not really imported)
Knowles - Victoria
Others:
Jason Behrendorff - Australian Capital Territory
Simon Branston - Warwickshire
Justin Coetzee - Born in South Africa, played most of his junior cricket in WA
Ben Edmondson - Queensland
Chris Gayle
D) - West IndiesMichael Hogan - New South Wales
Steve Magoffin - Queensland
Josh Mangan - Victoria
eddiesmith
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
Murray Goodwin (Zimbabwe)
Murray Goodwin (Zimbabwe)
Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
North and two others I cannot remember, one being a bowler. I remember their headline bowling attack was made up almost entirely of other state's bowlers.
And a little bitter? I lost a ton of respect to my OWN state for stuffing up a contractual agreement that seemed pretty simple, yet they let the best player slip away. Now WA are up the best all rounder in the country.
Rampant;375517 said:Who has WA imported, besides Gilchrist, Johnson and Noffke? (I'm aware you're still a little bitter over Noffke
North and two others I cannot remember, one being a bowler. I remember their headline bowling attack was made up almost entirely of other state's bowlers.
And a little bitter? I lost a ton of respect to my OWN state for stuffing up a contractual agreement that seemed pretty simple, yet they let the best player slip away. Now WA are up the best all rounder in the country.
eddiesmith
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
A very good win by Victorias 2nd XI bowling attack to beat QLD by an innings despite the entire Victorian top order failing and very few runs from the middle either apart from Hussey
It seems there is no team in the country who can match it with Victoria this year
A very good win by Victorias 2nd XI bowling attack to beat QLD by an innings despite the entire Victorian top order failing and very few runs from the middle either apart from Hussey
It seems there is no team in the country who can match it with Victoria this year
Sober Symonds
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
Comprehensive victory, yes. Nice to see Dussey back in the groove. Another case of long-term brilliance, short-term national representation. As long as he remains in form, surely he is a worthy candidate for Aust in some version of the game.
With all these other states supporters lamenting the lack of players being promoted from within their ranks, one would think all the national team comes from only one state!!!
Comprehensive victory, yes. Nice to see Dussey back in the groove. Another case of long-term brilliance, short-term national representation. As long as he remains in form, surely he is a worthy candidate for Aust in some version of the game.
With all these other states supporters lamenting the lack of players being promoted from within their ranks, one would think all the national team comes from only one state!!!
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Re: Ford Ranger Cup Thread 2009/2010
Look Hussey is always in the frame at ODI level, as are a number of players, Hussey hasn't probably taken his chances as much as he would have liked, im sure he'd be the first to admit that.
Look Hussey is always in the frame at ODI level, as are a number of players, Hussey hasn't probably taken his chances as much as he would have liked, im sure he'd be the first to admit that.