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Off Spinning Guide
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Three seasons ago when I first started playing A Grade cricket I batted number 11 and bowled more over than anyone else in the club over the season and the first season I played I was ranked in as fourth best bowler in a wickets/average comparison for the competition, and the year after I one the medal for most wickets in a season, getting 29 from 11 games at an average of 8.4 and had one hell of a season. Last year I got about 6th on the list after finding a bit of bad form and got completely dismantled for 3 games in a row which ruined my hopes for any higher rankings.
Then in May this year in an off season carnival I dived from first slip full stretch to take the best catch I have ever taken only to land on my elbow and push my shoulder back towards my head, then twisting it behind my back. Ended up being put out of most physical activity for just about 6 months after dislocating breaking a bone in the AC joint and tearing a tendon in my left shoulder. Now I have moved an I'm playing for another club.
I now bat at number 7 and am considered a bowling all rounder after averaging 20 for my last two seasons and getting a couple of fifties. My batting has improved ten-fold and can quite often stay in the middle for some very prolonged times.
Most of my games have been 40 over cricket through the way things have panned out.
So I'm a full time spinner, with some pace bowling to go on the side after we lost our best pace bowler to higher duties and our number 3 batsman to the Queensland sides (now averaging 66 in Queensland Second XI) they decided in the unlimited overs stuff they would do something to make up for pretty much half our batting being lost with just one man going. They decided to put in a batsman/part time medium bowler and have me do the spinning and pace duties instead. Means I was bowling twice as many overs as everyone else and found my new position of first slip a great help. It actually worked until we discovered that doing that requires more fitness than I have and eventually we made another decision to get me spinning full time again. I enjoy pace bowling because I'm naturally quick and can really rattle a batsman, but spin bowling is just so much better.
Just a bit about myself.
Three seasons ago when I first started playing A Grade cricket I batted number 11 and bowled more over than anyone else in the club over the season and the first season I played I was ranked in as fourth best bowler in a wickets/average comparison for the competition, and the year after I one the medal for most wickets in a season, getting 29 from 11 games at an average of 8.4 and had one hell of a season. Last year I got about 6th on the list after finding a bit of bad form and got completely dismantled for 3 games in a row which ruined my hopes for any higher rankings.
Then in May this year in an off season carnival I dived from first slip full stretch to take the best catch I have ever taken only to land on my elbow and push my shoulder back towards my head, then twisting it behind my back. Ended up being put out of most physical activity for just about 6 months after dislocating breaking a bone in the AC joint and tearing a tendon in my left shoulder. Now I have moved an I'm playing for another club.
I now bat at number 7 and am considered a bowling all rounder after averaging 20 for my last two seasons and getting a couple of fifties. My batting has improved ten-fold and can quite often stay in the middle for some very prolonged times.
Most of my games have been 40 over cricket through the way things have panned out.
So I'm a full time spinner, with some pace bowling to go on the side after we lost our best pace bowler to higher duties and our number 3 batsman to the Queensland sides (now averaging 66 in Queensland Second XI) they decided in the unlimited overs stuff they would do something to make up for pretty much half our batting being lost with just one man going. They decided to put in a batsman/part time medium bowler and have me do the spinning and pace duties instead. Means I was bowling twice as many overs as everyone else and found my new position of first slip a great help. It actually worked until we discovered that doing that requires more fitness than I have and eventually we made another decision to get me spinning full time again. I enjoy pace bowling because I'm naturally quick and can really rattle a batsman, but spin bowling is just so much better.
Just a bit about myself.
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I actually have a thread dedicated to that injury where Liz helped me out with a few exercises for it.
It was alright once the morphine was given to me...
I needed surgery it ended up after about a month of nothing seemingly getting better. The tendon was attached on the very outside of the shoulder in which a chip of that bone right on the top and end point of the joint had pretty much just cracked off, and since the tendon was pulling on it it ended up down in the actual joint itself. They x-rayed it and believed they could still put the shoulder back in around that piece of bone. They were apparently wrong and had to put me under anaesthetic to stop the pain while they did it. It involved crudely pushing that piece back up and sliding the ball joint back underneath it and then lifting and pushing very hard down back into the socket. Woke up feeling in just as much pain as before.
They x-rayed it and the doctor thought all was good and the bone was in the right place to heal. He hadn't checked about tendon damage whatsoever.
A month later I was back, now at a private hospital thankfully, and they did a cat scan and discovered a severed tendon. After surgery to put everything back in the rightful place it seems all good.
Which is why, if you read the other thread if you can find it (i couldn't be bothered) I was still feeling incredibly weak in that shoulder some months out.
Very arduous journey.
Not my first dislocation either.
I actually have a thread dedicated to that injury where Liz helped me out with a few exercises for it.
It was alright once the morphine was given to me...
I needed surgery it ended up after about a month of nothing seemingly getting better. The tendon was attached on the very outside of the shoulder in which a chip of that bone right on the top and end point of the joint had pretty much just cracked off, and since the tendon was pulling on it it ended up down in the actual joint itself. They x-rayed it and believed they could still put the shoulder back in around that piece of bone. They were apparently wrong and had to put me under anaesthetic to stop the pain while they did it. It involved crudely pushing that piece back up and sliding the ball joint back underneath it and then lifting and pushing very hard down back into the socket. Woke up feeling in just as much pain as before.
They x-rayed it and the doctor thought all was good and the bone was in the right place to heal. He hadn't checked about tendon damage whatsoever.
A month later I was back, now at a private hospital thankfully, and they did a cat scan and discovered a severed tendon. After surgery to put everything back in the rightful place it seems all good.
Which is why, if you read the other thread if you can find it (i couldn't be bothered) I was still feeling incredibly weak in that shoulder some months out.
Very arduous journey.
Not my first dislocation either.
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well the road to recovery lies in rest, relaxation and rehabilitaiton... stick to that and don't over work it and you'll be right...
well the road to recovery lies in rest, relaxation and rehabilitaiton... stick to that and don't over work it and you'll be right...
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Dislocations are one of the more painful things you can do to yourself. It really leaves your arm weak for quite a while too.
Which arm was that you did it to, and was it dominant or not?
I had to get reconstructive surgery done on my right hand a couple of years ago on the carpel that is the support for the little finger, the major bone on the outside of the hand. At the time I played Rugby League part time when I felt like it and in one game a brawl broke out. Unwillingly I was right in the middle of it and ended up knocking a guy out and in the process breaking that bone twice and pretty much shattered it to pieces from a punch. When the game got back into play due to the adrenaline I just kept going and didn't actually notice it was sore until after the game, then it got really sore. Needed surgery to put it back straight and to the day I have limitations in movement with that side of my hand. I was really lucky I didn't mess up my whole hand or my whole spinning hand would be put out of use. I can no longer use that finger and partly the ring finger to bowl with now. Means I have to drop any audacious deliveries.
Mousey;382081 said:
Dislocations are one of the more painful things you can do to yourself. It really leaves your arm weak for quite a while too.
Which arm was that you did it to, and was it dominant or not?
I had to get reconstructive surgery done on my right hand a couple of years ago on the carpel that is the support for the little finger, the major bone on the outside of the hand. At the time I played Rugby League part time when I felt like it and in one game a brawl broke out. Unwillingly I was right in the middle of it and ended up knocking a guy out and in the process breaking that bone twice and pretty much shattered it to pieces from a punch. When the game got back into play due to the adrenaline I just kept going and didn't actually notice it was sore until after the game, then it got really sore. Needed surgery to put it back straight and to the day I have limitations in movement with that side of my hand. I was really lucky I didn't mess up my whole hand or my whole spinning hand would be put out of use. I can no longer use that finger and partly the ring finger to bowl with now. Means I have to drop any audacious deliveries.
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Ouch! You've been in the wars! The dislocation is the worst I've done. About 6 months earlier I fractured my finger doing ruck work at training (not that painful, but restrictive when I played) and then tore my quad playing Aussie Rules football but the dislocation beat both of those.
I dislocated the left, which is the one I write with - which is why reconstruction surgery was out of the question even if I needed it - but I bowl with my right arm, so it didn't effect my bowling.
Boris;382087 said:
Ouch! You've been in the wars! The dislocation is the worst I've done. About 6 months earlier I fractured my finger doing ruck work at training (not that painful, but restrictive when I played) and then tore my quad playing Aussie Rules football but the dislocation beat both of those.
I dislocated the left, which is the one I write with - which is why reconstruction surgery was out of the question even if I needed it - but I bowl with my right arm, so it didn't effect my bowling.
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geez you guys are making me feel like a wuss, the worst i've done is sprain my ankle...
geez you guys are making me feel like a wuss, the worst i've done is sprain my ankle...
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hey guys I was at the nets and bowling my offies, all off a sudden my grip just didn't feel right and i didn't get and revs on the ball, i tried many things to ressurect it but to no avail, can someone give me some tips on an offspinning grip that works cause I've been told my grip isn't the best it could be...
hey guys I was at the nets and bowling my offies, all off a sudden my grip just didn't feel right and i didn't get and revs on the ball, i tried many things to ressurect it but to no avail, can someone give me some tips on an offspinning grip that works cause I've been told my grip isn't the best it could be...
Re: Off Spinning Guide
I have a different grip to almost everyone. Whenever I lose it or I'm just not landing balls, I go back to the traditional grip that is taught in academies until I get that right, then I bring in my normal grip.
First two fingers on the seam that is held cross ways. Spread your fingers as far as you can, even if it is uncomfortable. Then relax your fingers and let them slide back towards each other until you just feel it start to be comfortable again. This usually allows your skin to settle around the ball and not feel awkward, and also means your fingers should be in the right position. Then concentrate on wrist position and try to get the ball coming out with that diagonal top/off spin combination that is supposed to be happening.
Going back to basics I find is best.
If it is still feeling awkward put the ball on the ground with the seem parallel to it. Then with thumb and first two fingers spread wide at equal distances from the points of all fingers, forming a triangle, just pick up the ball. Then move your thumb to the side.
These are what I do when it isn't working.
I have a different grip to almost everyone. Whenever I lose it or I'm just not landing balls, I go back to the traditional grip that is taught in academies until I get that right, then I bring in my normal grip.
First two fingers on the seam that is held cross ways. Spread your fingers as far as you can, even if it is uncomfortable. Then relax your fingers and let them slide back towards each other until you just feel it start to be comfortable again. This usually allows your skin to settle around the ball and not feel awkward, and also means your fingers should be in the right position. Then concentrate on wrist position and try to get the ball coming out with that diagonal top/off spin combination that is supposed to be happening.
Going back to basics I find is best.
If it is still feeling awkward put the ball on the ground with the seem parallel to it. Then with thumb and first two fingers spread wide at equal distances from the points of all fingers, forming a triangle, just pick up the ball. Then move your thumb to the side.
These are what I do when it isn't working.
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ok thanks for that boris i'll try it when i head up tomorrow... I'm also going to buy some new stuff like gloves and pads so i'll have some new stuff to try...
ok thanks for that boris i'll try it when i head up tomorrow... I'm also going to buy some new stuff like gloves and pads so i'll have some new stuff to try...
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Do any of you have a weakness against off spin bowling? I can easily pick what anyone else is trying to do, having done it myself countless times, but I hate facing it. I can play leg spin fine from the bowlers I have faced, I love it turning away from me, but not back in. The drift is what really gets me. Just curious.
Do any of you have a weakness against off spin bowling? I can easily pick what anyone else is trying to do, having done it myself countless times, but I hate facing it. I can play leg spin fine from the bowlers I have faced, I love it turning away from me, but not back in. The drift is what really gets me. Just curious.
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honestly any spin bowling is fine by me, i just get on the front foot and don't get indescisive* just play through your shot...
honestly any spin bowling is fine by me, i just get on the front foot and don't get indescisive* just play through your shot...
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I am stronger against spin in general as we don't have many quality spinners to actually face, and pace bowling almost always gets my wicket, but spin I find is where I get the most play and misses, and although I can scrape up a lot of runs, they do not look 'good' with all made up unorthodox shots to get them. I am stronger against leg spin, I'm fine with it turning away from my body, but I find whether it is inswing or spinning inwards is where I get into trouble.
Have hit the sweetest six from an offie though, straight back over his head with just an extended and technically correct straight drive down the ground, just lofted. My favourite shot ever.
I am stronger against spin in general as we don't have many quality spinners to actually face, and pace bowling almost always gets my wicket, but spin I find is where I get the most play and misses, and although I can scrape up a lot of runs, they do not look 'good' with all made up unorthodox shots to get them. I am stronger against leg spin, I'm fine with it turning away from my body, but I find whether it is inswing or spinning inwards is where I get into trouble.
Have hit the sweetest six from an offie though, straight back over his head with just an extended and technically correct straight drive down the ground, just lofted. My favourite shot ever.
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well i'm kind of the opposite, I play very technical against pace but when the spinners come on i go hell for leather and either get out cheaply or post a massive score and make them wish they'd never come on.
but my main thing against spin bowling be it leggies or off my trigger movement always bring my front foot towards to on side, can still play textbook cover drives and cut shots its just that when they put that ball down that's just that little bit too close to the stumps and the it gets punished...
well i'm kind of the opposite, I play very technical against pace but when the spinners come on i go hell for leather and either get out cheaply or post a massive score and make them wish they'd never come on.
but my main thing against spin bowling be it leggies or off my trigger movement always bring my front foot towards to on side, can still play textbook cover drives and cut shots its just that when they put that ball down that's just that little bit too close to the stumps and the it gets punished...
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best thing to do if your trying to hit them down the ground or over cover, do you skip or just walk down?
best thing to do if your trying to hit them down the ground or over cover, do you skip or just walk down?